The Burn Discussion Thread

[Shadwen]

Welcome to the Burn Thread!!

Burn: Is the act of inflicting effect damage to reduce your opponents lifepoints to 0.

Lets Discuss!



Variants Known:

Chain Burn
Stall Burn
Skill Drain Burn (someone remind me the acronym for this)
Fire Burn
Nurse Burn

*More Coming


For a Deck with such a basic concept (Not saying its easy to play), why have we not seen more of this in the top levels of play?

Any New ideas?





*First of all, if repeated bashing of the topic decktype is going to continue, such time can be better spent on other threads. Such posts do not and will not serve a valuable purpose here where we're going to be discussing the merits of (and ways to maximize the potential of) Burn decks. Period. If I could add this to the OP, I would. This nonsense happens far too often when Burn is the subject, and this forum has no place for it, as implied by the Site Rules & Regulations.

-From this point on, this thread and any other threads shall be treated with respect. If you do not like the archetype/deckstyle then do not post in those topics. Repeated bashing of a decktype will result in a ban.

[g1nz0]

Burn is hella cheesy, and pretty lame. The last great innovation, in my eyes, was Wattcobra getting added to Chain Burn. So slick. When I think of Burn I will always default to the first two or so formats of Advance with Raging Troll Sprite and Solar Troll Dragon.

[Ursiel]

BurnForGame - This is the thread you need to abuse.

Burn decks are fun. A lot of people consider them sacky but you really do need to understand resource management to do well with tehm on a consistent basis.

[Shadwen]

Nov 8, 2013 13:02:29 GMT -6 Ursiel said:

BurnForGame - This is the thread you need to abuse.

Burn decks are fun. A lot of people consider them sacky but you really do need to understand resource management to do well with tehm on a consistent basis.

I love this!


Yes, burn seems sacky when playing against it. But it requires alot of thought and some top end deck building to stand up to most metas.

[Ursiel]

Thank you. Its what happens when a former burn player tries to stay knowledgeable. I may not have the taste for full burn decks anymore, but BFG has seen that I will still add burn elements to other decks that I feel can benefit from a little surprise factor.

[Shadwen]

I agree. Knowledge is Power.

[g1nz0]

Resource management and sound decision making is a blanket statement in regards to playing the game, not just one deck. Burn is as sacky as it is fun to play.

[Shadwen]

I personally do not agree with your above statement. I think you are singling out chain burn and using a general statement. The decks are actually quite harder to play than people give them credit for. They get linked and burned for game and call it sacky. A missed link, or a wrong chain order, or even bad draws can lead to burn losing, with no chance of coming back.


Now burn!

There are many variations. Does anyone have any neat ideas for a new build? Or any idea on some of the older types?

[g1nz0]

What you are talking about is player substance, and I don't feel that should ever be a point of discussion when trying to appropriately place a value on any given deck. The style of deck is degenerate since in best case scenario mode for the deck, it doesn't require an opponent.

[Shadwen]

Now there are quite a few that do take tons of skill, and good deck building. Do we have any ideas? maybe we can try skill drain burn again?

[BurnForGame]

First of all, if repeated bashing of the topic decktype is going to continue, such time can be better spent on other threads. Such posts do not and will not serve a valuable purpose here where we're going to be discussing the merits of (and ways to maximize the potential of) Burn decks. Period. If I could add this to the OP, I would. This nonsense happens far too often when Burn is the subject, and this forum has no place for it, as implied by the Site Rules & Regulations.

Anyway, I'll start my time on this thread (which I would have created myself if I felt the member lineup so far would be interested enough) by saying there's a fun little card out there called Torrential Reborn, and it has made me realize that WATER Burn is finally absolutely possible. I've built a full, hyper-fun Burn deck that centers around it and another deck that merely uses it for extra midgame damage, but both decks are examples of strategies that can work those "new ideas" in with or without other Burn elements.

There's also Blizzard Falcon. One of my most versatile Burn decks is an Aggro build called Snowmelt that uses Falcon with other Winged Beasts to provide a deck whose strategy can turn on a dime, adapting to what the opponent feels comfortable allowing.

There is also a niche being carved out for Xyz Burn. Cards like Xyz Reflect and Galaxy Wave, while not perceived as competitive cards, can be options if one makes the effort to use the Xyz concepts that we have been given. I'm sure we'll go into detail on various ideas over time!

Nov 9, 2013 16:50:04 GMT -6 g1nz0 said:

The style of deck is degenerate since in best case scenario mode for the deck, it doesn't require an opponent.

For the vast majority of Burn decks, that's categorically false. That's a wild generalization, and as someone who's played and analyzed Burn since a Burn deck was even possible in this game, I take exception to that remark. However, as a respectful person who believes in spreading knowledge about this decktype, I'll now give you some explanations to clarify things. I do hope you get what I'm saying here, as I've tried to have similar conversations with people, just for them to end up being incapable of understanding reason. That ends up being very disappointing...

Even Chain Burn is at its peak when the opponent offers up chain starters to be turned against them. Good cards like Just Desserts, Des Koala and Secret Barrel require the opponent to be manipulated in order to be useful. Options such as Solar Ray, Fairy Archer and Ceasefire require a commitment to a goal, plus the specific supporting cards and sound dueling philosophy to defend the monsters one plays. Magic Cylinder is a "risk-reward" alternative to staples that allows a Burn player to directly capitalize on what the opponent does, even risking keeping their monster on the field for the sake of winning the way the Burn deck intends to win. All of this requires nothing short of the utmost in deckbuilding and as much skillful execution as any other worthwhile deck.

In the "best case scenario" for a number of Burn decks, the opponent's options (if any) are so carefully limited that they A) cannot prevent the damage that is being dealt and/or B) are having their potential plays orchestrated by the user of the Burn deck to the point where the moves they do make only lead to even more damage. This is not degenerate style. It is a way to demoralize the opposition through the actual out-of-the-box thinking and creativity that this game is so often lacking, and when I do it, I either open people's minds by showing them that Burn is a respectable decktype and not some "cheap" way to win, or end up realizing that my opponent is a closed-minded fool who cannot accept when a deck other than what they prepared for is able to beat their $600+ cookie-cutter deck.

[g1nz0]

[Ursiel]

Blizzard Falcon was such a good addition to the burn archetype. Snowmelt needs to get a thread for discussion, I want to see any improvements that may have been made.

[Shadwen]

I have yet to hear about snowmelt. Please post more information on this!

Also added to OP

[BurnForGame]

Snowmelt is here. I love what it has done, but I have not tested it in a few weeks. It's just another example of a great newer card for Burn that's been overlooked. I need to work Torrential Reborn into a Blizzard build, and so do you!