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Post by Yoh Komori on May 21, 2014 21:42:10 GMT -6
bystander & Yoh Komori. I found the answer I was looking for after I read Debris Dragon's part in those Gemini Rulings which also lead me to a strategy I can use. Like Debris Dragon, if I was to summon Darkstorm Dragon with QDJ's effect, the effect that makes him a Normal Monster is cancelled out so I can use his Gemini Effect. I see how this works with Plasma vs. Darkstorm, wouldn't that be something like if Plasma is summoned before Gemini Summon then the Normal Monster effect is cancelled out giving Darkstorm his Gemini Effect, but if Plasma is summoned post Gemini Summon then Darktorm would lose the Gemini Effect turning him back into a Normal Monster, making it a kind of vice versa situation. @yoh Komori. Yes we should duel sometime, I can't remember the last time we did. Sorry I didn't get back to you about that sooner, but I've been trying to change my account name but every username I tried was apparently being used, whether it was something from YGO, Marvel, or DC. However my new DN username is RoaroftheBEWD. BTW I recently found this Deck that is used by Kaiba on YGO - Millenium Duels that I can use as a Deck Template to help bring along my Deck. i.imgur.com/qwmpvtv.png Can you link your source(s) for proof of this. by that logic if I have skill drain face down when I summon phoenix gearfired, if the summon is successful I could flip drain and bypass the need for a gemini summon to activate his gemini effect, and that sounds incorrect.
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Post by bystander on May 22, 2014 8:09:14 GMT -6
Surprised 107 isn't in this. Plenty of great monsters you can use with this deck. Really shocked Castle of Dragon Souls isn't in this either.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 22, 2014 13:14:31 GMT -6
He could also be running Prime, as 4k is impressive off of 2 8 stars.
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Post by WhiteLightning1 on May 22, 2014 19:18:24 GMT -6
@yoh Komori. The only real proof I have for what I said, is the link bystander sent me on Darkstorm's rulings. When I read the part on Debris Dragon is when I came up with the vice versa theory on Gemini Monsters. However if this is correct it's a way to use Skill Drain against it's user, or it's user can gain the upper hand in a duel e.g. with Darkstorm Dragon if I was to resurrect it with lets say Silver's Cry, with Skill Drain taking away the effect that makes it a Normal Monster I can then send Skill Drain to the grave to use Darkstorms effect. bystander & Yoh Komori. I agree there are a lot of great monsters I can use in this Deck like Number 62 and Number 107. However like I said this is a template so I'm going to edit it and see what I can do with it for starters Decoy Dragon, Kaibaman, Rider of the Storm Winds, Totem Dragon, and Vanguard of the Dragon are cards that I'll be dropping because Decoy is too easily gotten around, Kaibaman was good back in the day but I don't like giving up a Normal Summon for a Special Summon, I like ROTSW effect but I can only use it on Normal Dragon's, Totem Dragon is better as SS fodder than NS fodder, and I can only use Vanguard of the Dragon's effect when it's destroyed by my opponents effect which isn't very likely.
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Post by WhiteLightning1 on May 25, 2014 17:31:55 GMT -6
I've made some updates to the Template I posted a few days ago. However there are still a couple of cards I have yet to update, but this is what I've got so far.
3x Blue-Eyes White Dragon 2x Divine Dragon Ragnarok Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon 2x Darkstorm Dragon (1x GEPD on side) 3x Maiden with Eyes of Blue 2x Parsec, the Interstellar Dragon 2x Radius, the Half-Moon Dragon 2x Summoner Monk 2x The Dark - Hex-Sealed Fusion 3x The White Stone of Legend 2x Tour Guide from the Underworld 2x Versago the Destroyer
2x Burst Stream of Destruction 3x Dragon Shrine 3x Dragon's Mirror 3x Silver's Cry
2x Call of the Haunted Castle of Dragon Souls
Extra Deck
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon Dragon Master Knight Five-Headed Dragon 3x King Dragun 3x Azure-Eyes Silver Dragon Hieratic Sun Dragon Overlord of Heliopolis 2x Queen Dragun Djinn Thunder End Dragon
I still need to change Burst Stream of Destruction, I'm not sure what to do with Parsec and Radius but TBH with their Xyz capabilities I'm thinking of keeping them around. I need 2 more more monsters for the Extra Deck and I'm gonna make them LV 4 Xyz monsters for the Tour Guide/Versago combo. I put a GEPD on the side because of the Number 62 that Yoh Komori suggested. I'll put the Number 62 and Number 107 on the side as well until this is sorted out more, also with 5 Normal LV8's that are easily summoned I was thinking of Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon.
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Post by bystander on May 26, 2014 11:48:45 GMT -6
Wiht parsec and Radius I would have more Rank 8 in this. 107, Felgrand, and any of the Gimmick puppet Xyz. Would work for this.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 26, 2014 12:09:05 GMT -6
" Debris Dragon: If “Debris Dragon” Special Summons a Gemini Monster, the Gemini Monster’s effect that makes it a Normal Monster is negated, so the Gemini Monster is considered an Effect Monster. " you mean this? that just means it's ability to "gemini summon" to gain an effect is negated. it's still classed as gemini but it has no effect.
based on what the above, you seem to be misinterperting the ruling, so if i am not understanding what you said please clarify.
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Post by WhiteLightning1 on May 26, 2014 18:05:36 GMT -6
bystander. I saw how Parsec and Radius can get me quick and easy access to Rank 8 Xyz cards, so I decided to keep them around in the end. Neo GEPD, Number 46, Number 62, and Number 107 are some good candidates, and like I said in my last post I put a GEPD on the side so when I'm using Neo GEPD or Number 62 I can give them their full power. @yoh Komori. I'm afraid I misinterpertated the ruling. I was under the impression that after Debris Dragon negates the effect that considers him a Normal Monster he could use his Gemini Effect. As for those last 2 spaces in the Extra Deck, I chose to use Number 17 and Wind-Up Zenmeister, with those 2 the Tour Guide Versago combo can work. As for Burst Stream of Destruction I don't know wether to swap it for something like Burial from a Different Dimension, Trade-In, Forbidden Lance, or just keep them around because with cards like AESD, King Dragun, MwEoB, Queen Dragun Djinn, and Silver's Cry I can get a BEWD on the field no problem, and with all my opponents monsters out of the way although my BEWD can't attack my remaining forces can.
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Post by bystander on May 27, 2014 10:51:53 GMT -6
Strongly considering building a galaxy deck just to make use of GEPD I have.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 27, 2014 12:18:01 GMT -6
Strongly considering building a galaxy deck just to make use of GEPD I have. I have a ghost and a starfoily one, I know this feel!
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Post by bystander on May 28, 2014 10:39:18 GMT -6
Secret and 1st ed ultra are mine currently.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 28, 2014 10:59:11 GMT -6
nice
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Post by WhiteLightning1 on May 28, 2014 15:14:59 GMT -6
2x 1st Edition Photon Shockwave - Ultra Rare copies. I used to use both in a Standard Disaster Deck before Future Fusion was banned, now 1 of them is used in Dragon King's as a beatstick while the 2nd is used in Dragunitics because it is easily summoned with Atum.
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Post by WhiteLightning1 on May 31, 2014 20:32:02 GMT -6
Update. With 7 LV8 Monsters in this Deck I could replace Burst Stream of Destruction with Trade-In. BEWD and Darkstorm Dragon are perfect for it since sending them to the grave won't be a problem because of all the cards I have to get them back like MwEoB, Silver's Cry, Azure-Eyes Silver Dragon. With Parsec I can only use COTH or Queen Dragun Djinn, but depending on the state of play it shouldn't really matter.
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Post by oooxp on May 31, 2014 21:59:58 GMT -6
personally i would use royal decree if the deck has such low backrow..my opinion only.
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