Counter Fairys

[bystander]

Testing Solidarity in this over Marsh.

[WhiteLightning1]

I don't see a lot of Counter Fairy Decks these days, but they are awesome Decks and a bugger to go up against. I don't know how to improve the Draw system, and I can't think of this card that recycles Light-Attribute Monsters. I do have some Old Meta material that could have a few ideas for you.

Deck Version 1

3x Arcana Force 0 - The Fool
3x Bountiful Artemis
2x Harvest Angel of Wisdom
Marshmallon
3x Meltiel, Sage of the Sky
3x Voltanis the Adjudicator
3x Zeradias, Herald of Heaven

Giant Trunade
Monster Reborn
Mystical Space Typhoon
Swords of Revealing light
2x The Sanctuary in the Sky

2x Black Horn of Heaven
3x Dark Bribe
2x Divine Wrath
2x Drastic Drop Off
Mirror Force
2x Negate Attack
3x Solemn Judgment
Torrential Tribute


Deck Version 2

3x Bountiful Artemis
D.D. Warrior Lady
2x Freed the Brave Wanderer
3x Harvest Angel of Wisdom
3x Honest
3x Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Sangan
3x Thunder King Rai-Oh

2x Book of Moon
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Mystical Space Typhoon

2x Bottomless Trap Hole
2x Dark Bribe
3x Divine Wrath
3x Magic Drain
Mirror Force
3x Solemn Judgment
Torrential Tribute

The Spell content of both Decks is appauling, but there are a few cards in the Monster and Trap assortments that may come in handy.

[bystander]

Wow those are some old school decks.

My deck hasn't let me down yet.

[WhiteLightning1]

True, these are some old school Decks. However looking at the Trap line-up of those 2 Decks I posted, and the current build you've got posted I've managed to managed to come up with something more up to date.

2x Archlord Kristya
3x Bountiful Artemis
3x Harvest Angel of Wisdom
2x Herald of Orange Light
Honest
3x Marshmallon
2x Tethys, Goddess of Light
3x Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord

2x Card Advance
3x Pot of Duality
2x Supply Squad

2x Black Horn of Heaven
3x Dark Bribe
2x Divine Wrath
2x Forced Back
2x Magic Drain
Solemn Warning
2x Wiretap

It's still almost exactly the same as your build in your first post. However I wanted to change a few Monsters around to get 3 copies of Van'Dalgyon into it, because when I've used him in the past I think he's brilliant in combo with Counter Traps. Your Counter Traps are again almost exactly the same, the only one I couldn't keep in was Drastic Drop Off. It's still got all the Traps to give your Fairy-Type's their firepower, but Traps such as Bribe, Wrath, Drain, and Wiretap give Van'Dalgyon his firepower. I didn't do anything about the Extra Deck because even from looking at the picture I can only tell what a few of them are.

[bystander]

Most of the extra deck is filler.

The deck itself is where the real power is.

I have been wondering about Drastic in this Meta though, BA and Doll both benefit from having their monsters sent to the graveyard ("sent to grave" is a broad term in this game and covers discard in its terminology). The extra protection bribe offers is becoming more appealing. Only issue is that Bribe effectively replaces the card my opponent loses.


1 thing I will not do is drop Gellenduo, especially after the money I dropped on getting 2 Ultras. Plus it supports Venus and Kristya as well. Double Kristya is something to consider.

3 Vandys and 2 Tethys don't seem to gel with me either, as it can quickly break up a draw chain Tethys starts. The most Vandy I will try for is 2. (-1 Wrath for it).


Gave me something to really think about in this.


BurnForGame what is your take on Whitelightning's ideas?

[WhiteLightning1]

I do agree the real power lies within the Deck itself.

If you're concerned about Drastic against Decks that benefit from having their cards discarded to the grave, why don't you have a card on side for when you're up against these kind of Decks. I agree on your views about Bribe, because when I used to use it in my Hopeless Deck, I'd sometimes end up in situations where I'd stop my opponent's S/T with Bribe, and SS Van'Dalgyon dealing 1500 damage or destroying a card, but the card that my opponent draws ends up costing me the game, but IMO at the end of the day with Bribe's side effect it's a case of luck of the draw.

I'll stick by your decision to not drop Gellenduo, I don't like dropping expensive cards soon after I get them. The double Kristya's is something I would definitely go for with his devastating/annoying effect.

I see your concern about Vandy's effect buggering up Tethys's draw chains, but no doubt Tethys's draw chains are used in combo with Bountiful Artemis, so the only argument I have about this concern is Vandy's and Tethys's effects are trigger effects unlike Artemis's continuous effect, so you can choose when to use them so they don't bugger each other up. However at the end of the day it's up to you, though this did give me a few things to think about.

I've been thinking about that Draw System you've been trying to set up, and I've thought of a card that can recycle Light-Attributes. The Draw card I had in mind is Cards from the Sky, by banishing a Light-Fairy you get to draw 2 cards at the cost of SS and you battle phase that turn, and the recycle card I had in mind was Layard the Liberator, another Counter Fairy that puts 2 banished Fairy-Type monsters into your hand when a Counter Trap is used. However according to Layard's rulings, you need at least 2 Fairy-Types banished to use its effect, but with only 3 CFTS to use, you won't get much of a recycling strategy. However there is 1 more card that can help you, and that is Lightray Grepher, or Lightray Diablos because their effects banish Light-Attribute monsters.

2x Archlord Kristya
3x Bountiful Artemis
2x Gellenduo
3x Harvest Angel of Wisdom
2x Herald of Orange Light
Honest
Layard the Liberator
Lightray Grepher/Diablos
2x Marshmallon
Splendid Venus
Tethys, Goddess of Light
2x Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord

2x Card Advance
3x Cards from the Sky
2x Pot of Duality
2x Supply Squad

2x Black Horn of Heaven
3x Dark Bribe
2x Divine Wrath
Solemn Warning
2x Wiretap

This is the best I could come up with from what I mentioned above.

[bystander]

Seems like too many spells for this deck type.

[WhiteLightning1]

I had the same thought myself when submitted that last post, the only solution I can come up with is drop 2 of the Spells for 2 more Counter Traps, the only problem is which 1's to drop, I'm stuck between the choice of either Duality, or Supply Squad. Both of them because they only give you 1 card, Duality because there are SS's it stops you accessing e.g. Kristya, Van'Dalgyon, Extra Deck, and Supply Squad because it depends how long you can keep it on the field.

[BurnForGame]

Wow. I actually love the idea of Lightray(s) in here for some firepower, and I would have never thought of that. A Counter Fairy deck with some actual boss ATK power beyond the obvious two is that much more formidable. Of course, Kristya doesn't quite agree with the concept, but Kristya is the priority effect anyway while it's active.

However, the most recently posted deck up there has some glaring issues, not the least of which is the lack of Counter Traps. There are only five cards in the deck that can trigger Vandy, and that's just not going to work, no matter how much potential draw power the build has. Artemis needs to always have a potential negation backing her up, and a total of ten Counters will not accomplish that.

If you're taking out Spells for more Counters, take out Duality. It shuffles you right out of your Card Advance, which is the tiebreaker as far as I'm concerned. If you add enough Counters, Supply Squad will be protected anyway.

CftS is nice, but it really costs you a lot. Counter Fairies need the Battle Phase, and if the opponent sees you play it, they can go nuts with their plays for the rest of the turn without fear of Vandy reprisal. I'm not sure I like it. And, sadly, the time for Drastic Fairies has passed for now, period. It's my favorite build (as you certainly know, bystander) but the fact that Dolls and Abyss exist in the meta means that if you're not running lots of banish cards in your build, you'll get burned by any Drop Off variation.

Finally, when it comes down to Marsh vs. Duo, Duo wins because it can get Venus or Kristya to the field. The extra 1000 damage isn't really worth not being able to make a double-Tribute play, especially in a deck that can use Card Advance for as much as this!

I'm going to be rebuilding my Non-Drastic Counter Fairies later this weekend to try to help you out. I'll let you know what I come up with!

[WhiteLightning1]

When it comes to the Lightrays I recommended for the build, they only banish 1 Light-Attribute at a time, and since there are multiple copies of the monsters in this Deck I don't see it being a problem for Kristya, it could even help Kristya if there's more than 4 in the grave.

I do agree on the lack of Counter Traps in the last build I posted, but you made a slight miscount, there's actually 8 Counters that can trigger Vandy's effect, 3x Bribe, 2x Wrath, Warning, and 2x Wiretap.

I'm with you on Duality, Card Advance works far better in this build IMO, and I do have to agree with all the Counter Traps, Supply Squad is protected.

With CftS IMO it only really costs you the Battle Phase because the only 2 monsters that have special summon effects are Kristya, and Vandy. That being said depending on the circumstances of when CftS is played, no doubt the player will at least take his NS, and arm his backrow with Counter Traps, when it comes to the opponent's turn you can SS again so if they use a S/T, or effect it can be negated, and Vandy can be summoned. As for what I said earlier about Duality, if it was dropped the counter I was gonna suggest was Forced Back, but with these concerns about CftS, I'd recommend Negate Attack.

[bystander]

Being a monarch player I have used PoD and Card advance very successfully in the same deck. The trick is either using PoD before Card Advance or setting to that PoD is the last or second to last card to be drawn.


OP updated.

[WhiteLightning1]

I have a question about the Splendid Venus in the Side Deck. Why is it needed? Because I understand it's use for protecting Spell Cards, but as for Counter Traps 2/3 of the time they can't be stopped anyway, and as BurnForGame stated a few posts back, with enough counters your Spells are protected anyway.

Another thing. Have you considered Athena? Easily summoned with Gellenduo, and it's a little backup for Kristya because she can summon it back from the Graveyard when/if it's sent there.

[BurnForGame]

I know that I use Venus because it gets over boss monsters with the weakening effect without having to rely on any other cards.

A deck that uses double Kristya could probably drop a Kristya for Athena without losing anything!

[bystander]

Splendid Venus also allows the deck player to utilize number 103 from the extra too. Might cut a Vandy to keep Venus.

[WhiteLightning1]

I now see that Splendid Venus is actually a good boss monster for this Deck. Number 103 looks awesome, have you also considered Fairy Cheer Girl? Not as powerful as Number 103, but gives you the Draw Power effect. Every new post in this thread gives me new ideas for the Deck, but I think I've finally come up with something with enough Counter Traps, not too many Spell, and the monsters you're using.

2x Archlord Kristya
Athena
3x Bountiful Artemis
2x Gellenduo
3x Harvest Angel of Wisdom
2x Herald of Orange Light
Honest
Splendid Venus
2x Tethys, Goddess of Light
Voltanis the Adjudicator/Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord

2x Card Advance
2x Pot of Duality
2x Solidarity
2x Supply Squad

2x Black Horn of Heaven
3x Dark Bribe
2x Divine Wrath
2x Forced Back
2x Magic Drain
Solemn Warning
2x Wiretap

Extra Deck

Ancient Sacred Wyvern
Angel of Zera
Avenging Knight Parshath
Fairy Cheer Girl
Number 102: Star Seraph Sentry
Number 103: Ragnazero
Vylon Disigma

Side Deck

2x Debunk
2x Destruction Jammer
3x Drastic Drop Off
2x Judgment of Anubis
2x Negate Attack
2x Seven Tools of the Bandit
2x The Huge Revolution is Over