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Post by bystander on Jun 17, 2014 9:33:19 GMT -6
All Malefics have that "Only one malefic can be on the field" line in their effect. If Skill Drain is up it negates this effect while a Malefic is on the field, but can't stop the effect from being triggered in the hand. Mind Drain won't work since this effect doesn't start a chain.
Since Majesty's Fiend negates monsters effects EVERYWHERE (banished, field, grave, hand) could getting two Malefics on the field with Fiend on the field be possible now?
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Post by Drillwarrior on Jun 17, 2014 9:55:01 GMT -6
Two things that are helpful for rulings.
#1, link card text for cards you're questioning rulings on. In this case, Majesty's fiend and any Malefic should do.
#2, read your cards carefully. There are things that should jump out at you about the way Fiend is worded if you read the card carefully.
I'll use Malefic Cyber End Dragon as an example for a Malefic monster.
And here is Majesty's Fiend
First thing to notice is that is a condition, not an effect. Something like Skill Drain, Veiler, etc, will not negate a condition. As far as I am aware, there is no card in the game that negates a condition.
Second thing to notice is that Majesty's fiend doesn't negate anything. It prevents monster effects from being activated. There's a difference here, and I'll explain what it is.
A good example is Traptrix Myrmeleo
She has three effects here.
Her first effect is a passive effect, not a condition, it can be negated by Skill Drain for example, but it also isn't activated. Majesty's Fiend will not prevent this.
Her second and third effects, to search and destroy respectively, both activate. Therefore Majesty's fiend will not prevent them. Notice I say prevent, because again, Majesty's Fiend technically negates nothing. It prevents them from being activated in the first place. (This is important as it means you can't even pay a cost like you would be able to under some cards.)
tl;dr
Majesty's Fiend prevents effects from activating, it doesn't negate anything. Furthermore, it's a condition that Malefics have, not an effect.
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Post by bystander on Jun 17, 2014 9:56:48 GMT -6
Just had to make sure.
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Post by ragda on Jun 17, 2014 21:15:57 GMT -6
While Drill has covered the main points, the text that restricts one Malefic on the field at all times is an EFFECT. It can be negated by Skill Drain.
That said, the one in hand isn't being negated, so you still cannot drop a second Malefic from your hand under normal circumstances.
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Post by D_DASHER on Jun 19, 2014 2:33:14 GMT -6
In the past this card text was commonly referred to as "The Highlander Clause" (There can only be one!). For further reference check/search these appropriate rulings:
-Hero Mask / Grandmaster of the Six Samurai
-Archfiend Zombie Skull / DNA Surgery / Gravekeeper's Chief
-Hundred Eyes Dragon / Gravekeeper's Chief
-Malefic Blue-Eyes White Dragon vs Skill Drain / Interdimensional Matter Transporter
-Rulings for Earthbound Immortal Aslla Piscu
The OCG commonly refers to these types of effects as "unclassified", as they are treated similarly to continuous effects while a monster is face-up on the field, but also apply and are considerd "active" while a monster is banished, in the hand or graveyard as well.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Jun 19, 2014 13:38:25 GMT -6
In the past this card text was commonly referred to as "The Highlander Clause" (There can only be one!). For further reference check/search these appropriate rulings: -Hero Mask / Grandmaster of the Six Samurai -Archfiend Zombie Skull / DNA Surgery / Gravekeeper's Chief -Hundred Eyes Dragon / Gravekeeper's Chief -Malefic Blue-Eyes White Dragon vs Skill Drain / Interdimensional Matter Transporter -Rulings for Earthbound Immortal Aslla Piscu The OCG commonly refers to these types of effects as "unclassified", as they are treated similarly to continuous effects while a monster is face-up on the field, but also apply and are considerd "active" while a monster is banished, in the hand or graveyard as well. What a pleasant surprise to log on today and see D_Dasher running about. ^^ Welcome to "camp refugee" (cookie if anyone gets the reference) for TCG player.  |
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Post by bystander on Jun 19, 2014 13:43:24 GMT -6
I remember D_Dasher from TCG player.
Welcome to the fold.
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Post by Drillwarrior on Jun 19, 2014 14:13:10 GMT -6
Anyways, this ruling question has been answered. If you could lock this, ragda or Yoh Komori thanks. |
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Post by bystander on Jun 19, 2014 14:16:05 GMT -6
Anyways, this ruling question has been answered. If you could lock this, ragda or Yoh Komori thanks. Seconded. |
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