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Post by JerkJerk on Jun 3, 2014 21:52:05 GMT -6
After we added the Chatango Box, we noticed large decreases in posting. As such, we feel inclined to place some sort of incentive to encourage members to post more. Starting June 4th, and going through until July 4th, we are hoping to achieve a post goal of at least 2000 posts from members, or we will be removing the Chatango Box. We feel that site activity is important, and we are open to any and all suggestions for additional threads and events to help encourage posting opportunities. However, we are set on this decision. If we reach the goal, the Chatbox stays. If not, it will be removed, and will not return unless we achieve 3000 posts for a period of 30 consecutive days.
Thank you for your time. Please feel free to post any thoughts, suggestions or complaints in this thread and they will be addressed accordingly by me personally, or one of our other Admins.
JerkJerk, TCGRevolution Administrator & Founder.
Post count as of June 4th: 10,744
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Post by Drillwarrior on Jun 4, 2014 5:29:50 GMT -6
I really only have two things to say on this.
#1 Attempting to use some form of threat to increase post count is poor leadership.
#2 Gotta point out JJ, you have 382 posts. You created your profile on OCT 29th. Unless I miscounted that is 219 days ago. 1.7 posts per day. If all the active members (12 about) had your level of activity we would have 21 posts per day about.
21 posts per day, times 30 days to do this, equals about 630 posts. How about instead of 2000 posts, we do 630. Or, just don't do this at all because threatening your member base is a horrible mistake and if you're going to try to threaten people to do what you want I'm going to leave.
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Post by Meat~Product on Jun 4, 2014 5:51:06 GMT -6
LEt's see, 61 members, 12 of who are active. 2000/12 = 166.6~. So everyone who is regularly on this site will need to post 167 times, and if not, you remove the only form of instant communication?
I think the issue is you're thinking of this as a large site before it is such. You wouldn't tell a baby to do Algebra, so why tell the infancy of the site to write a novel to give it an illusion of more activity?
EDIT which is not counting the mods who rarely post as well, what will be done about that?
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Post by thursday on Jun 4, 2014 7:44:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure how doing this is going to help the site thrive. Especially removing the one thing some of the members come for. You'll just end up driving away more of the 5 or so active members. This would be a great idea if you had more members, but when you can count the active members on your fingers and toes you're only going to be shooting yourself in the foot. Hell, half the members here haven't even signed in since 2013.
Personally, I think you guys need to step back and reassess the situation before doing something silly like this.
*Merged*
To add to that, since edit doesn't work for me for some reason,
The reason the forum isn't active is because the forum has little to no qualities members what to involve themselves in. Not only do you have less than 10 members actively circlejerking day to day, you make it as if they should be punished for not being more active on a forum that has a non existent community. I don't see this site progressing further than this because as you can see, not many people want to take part due to the lack of content.
The problem isn't the post count or the current members. It's the fact that you NEED more members which I know is being worked on, but until that issue is fixed, there's not a whole lot that can be done.
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Post by JerkJerk on Jun 4, 2014 10:22:51 GMT -6
I really only have two things to say on this. #1 Attempting to use some form of threat to increase post count is poor leadership.#2 Gotta point out JJ, you have 382 posts. You created your profile on OCT 29th. Unless I miscounted that is 219 days ago. 1.7 posts per day. If all the active members (12 about) had your level of activity we would have 21 posts per day about. 21 posts per day, times 30 days to do this, equals about 630 posts. How about instead of 2000 posts, we do 630. Or, just don't do this at all because threatening your member base is a horrible mistake and if you're going to try to threaten people to do what you want I'm going to leave. This wasn't a threat, it was a decision that was made after all 3 of us Admins spent 45 minutes going on about the Chatbox. If you feel threatened by this, I can only say that perhaps you're taking this a little too seriously. If you are insulted by this, just PM one of us and we'll sit down and talk. Hell, if enough people complain about this we'll just back off and try something else. My problem is, when it's yourself and Thursday making the complaints... and then no one else will likely say much, what am I supposed to do? Listen to the whims of one active member, and one more casual one? As for #2, judging my post count seems like you're trying to smear the whole point here. Seems kind of low. Not judging, but you should work on that. I was asked to posted this regardless of how I feel, so I did. Would it really make that much of a difference if the Admin posting had a lot of posts? No, it really wouldn't. Sure, I'll pitch in more posts for the month period, but I was brought in not just post constantly but help design and expand a community, doesn't leave me with the free time to post as much as I would like. ------ Now, from what I am being told, if we get more complaints about this, we'll just try something new. Up to you guys.
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Post by Drillwarrior on Jun 4, 2014 10:38:11 GMT -6
I really only have two things to say on this. #1 Attempting to use some form of threat to increase post count is poor leadership.#2 Gotta point out JJ, you have 382 posts. You created your profile on OCT 29th. Unless I miscounted that is 219 days ago. 1.7 posts per day. If all the active members (12 about) had your level of activity we would have 21 posts per day about. 21 posts per day, times 30 days to do this, equals about 630 posts. How about instead of 2000 posts, we do 630. Or, just don't do this at all because threatening your member base is a horrible mistake and if you're going to try to threaten people to do what you want I'm going to leave. This wasn't a threat, it was a decision that was made after all 3 of us Admins spent 45 minutes going on about the Chatbox. If you feel threatened by this, I can only say that perhaps you're taking this a little too seriously. If you are insulted by this, just PM one of us and we'll sit down and talk. Hell, if enough people complain about this we'll just back off and try something else. My problem is, when it's yourself and Thursday making the complaints... and then no one else will likely say much, what am I supposed to do? Listen to the whims of one active member, and one more casual one? As for #2, judging my post count seems like you're trying to smear the whole point here. Seems kind of low. Not judging, but you should work on that. I was asked to posted this regardless of how I feel, so I did. Would it really make that much of a difference if the Admin posting had a lot of posts? No, it really wouldn't. Sure, I'll pitch in more posts for the month period, but I was brought in not just post constantly but help design and expand a community, doesn't leave me with the free time to post as much as I would like. ------ Now, from what I am being told, if we get more complaints about this, we'll just try something new. Up to you guys. Everyone who interacts with me realizes that often I speak before I think. I'm going to try to reply rationally to what you just said. #1a, The definition of a threat is and it is important to note that Ultimatum is a synonym. You are saying if we do not up our post count, you will remove something everyone uses. Cutting off an important limb of this website. That is a threat or ultimatum. #1b, Meat Product also made a great point. So it's not just me and Thursday, it's 3 people calling you out on this and NO ONE backing you up. #2, I have every right to call you on your post count here. You have a horrible post count, you manage 1 post per day if you're lucky. You are one of the three admins and are in a position of leadership. You want more people to post? Lead by example. Don't make threats and ultimatums. MeatProduct pointed out that we have roughly 12 active members, that's 166 or 167 posts per day to hit your high mark of 2k in a month. If every active member posted like you posted we'd be like to hit 700 posts in a month. You yourself would have to multiply your activity by 4 or 5 times just to hit 166 or 167 in 30 days. So, yeah, I would say this coming from Yoh Komori or Shadwen would make a difference. Shad isn't as active as he could or maybe should be, but he's definitely active. Ape is one of only four members to break 1k posts. So this, from you, is quite frankly ludicrous.
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Post by JerkJerk on Jun 4, 2014 11:11:14 GMT -6
This wasn't a threat, it was a decision that was made after all 3 of us Admins spent 45 minutes going on about the Chatbox. If you feel threatened by this, I can only say that perhaps you're taking this a little too seriously. If you are insulted by this, just PM one of us and we'll sit down and talk. Hell, if enough people complain about this we'll just back off and try something else. My problem is, when it's yourself and Thursday making the complaints... and then no one else will likely say much, what am I supposed to do? Listen to the whims of one active member, and one more casual one? As for #2, judging my post count seems like you're trying to smear the whole point here. Seems kind of low. Not judging, but you should work on that. I was asked to posted this regardless of how I feel, so I did. Would it really make that much of a difference if the Admin posting had a lot of posts? No, it really wouldn't. Sure, I'll pitch in more posts for the month period, but I was brought in not just post constantly but help design and expand a community, doesn't leave me with the free time to post as much as I would like. ------ Now, from what I am being told, if we get more complaints about this, we'll just try something new. Up to you guys. Everyone who interacts with me realizes that often I speak before I think. I'm going to try to reply rationally to what you just said. #1a, The definition of a threat is and it is important to note that Ultimatum is a synonym. You are saying if we do not up our post count, you will remove something everyone uses. Cutting off an important limb of this website. That is a threat or ultimatum. #1b, Meat Product also made a great point. So it's not just me and Thursday, it's 3 people calling you out on this and NO ONE backing you up. #2, I have every right to call you on your post count here. You have a horrible post count, you manage 1 post per day if you're lucky. You are one of the three admins and are in a position of leadership. You want more people to post? Lead by example. Don't make threats and ultimatums. MeatProduct pointed out that we have roughly 12 active members, that's 166 or 167 posts per day to hit your high mark of 2k in a month. If every active member posted like you posted we'd be like to hit 700 posts in a month. You yourself would have to multiply your activity by 4 or 5 times just to hit 166 or 167 in 30 days. So, yeah, I would say this coming from Yoh Komori or Shadwen would make a difference. Shad isn't as active as he could or maybe should be, but he's definitely active. Ape is one of only four members to break 1k posts. So this, from you, is quite frankly ludicrous. If you feel that threatened by a lack of a Chatbox, then I am sorry. However, it was a decision made that is clearly unpopular. The "Chatbos is an important limb" of the website it also not true. It merely has served as a place to spend extra time, possibly getting in touch with people. For example, most of the Tourney Matches I have been involved with, all the communication came through either the Message Box, Facebook, Dueling Network or the Chatango Private feature. Not the Chatbox directly. AIM, Email, Text Message are far more reliable and consistent way members on here stay in touch. Most of us know each other from TCGplayer and other teams. We have other contacts and managed to stay in touch before, why is now any different? Because you don't agree? Convenience that isn't nearly utilized as you personally feel? If we were larger with less familiarity, maybe. But that isn't the case. You have the right to call anybody out. I never said you didn't. But, my job here was to do things outside the forums. Be someone to talk to about the site, design content, not mega post. I WAS the mega poster until other members began posting. What you have to remember here is, yeah I am an Admin, but I do have other responsibilities to maintain. Not just post. All we're asking you guys as a whole to do is post. If you find that unfair, I can't help you. It's a simple enough request that we feel isn't too hard. If enough people say something, you guys get your way. It's always been that way. You want to judge my leadership, and call me out. Go ahead. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting here designing a fuck ton more content for you to have the opportunity to post on.
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Post by bystander on Jun 4, 2014 11:21:57 GMT -6
Personally another contest for activity, like you had before would have been a better stimulus IMO. Did this ever come up in the discussion?
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Post by JerkJerk on Jun 4, 2014 11:23:17 GMT -6
Personally another contest for activity, like you had before would have been a better stimulus IMO. Did this ever come up in the discussion? 3 times. For someone reason this was more popular last night at 2 AM EST.
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Post by bystander on Jun 4, 2014 11:24:50 GMT -6
Seems to be when a lot more people are active.
This seems too drastic of a step though IMO.
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Post by BurnForGame on Jun 4, 2014 11:53:50 GMT -6
That this idea is being considered at all, by ANY of the leadership, makes me question the very future of this site. I've been here for an awfully darned high percentage of this forum's existence, and I'm going to say one thing: If you thought there were less-than-quality posts and mild to moderate spam before, take that box away and see what happens.
That chatbox is where casual randomness is posted, where people can see what important discussions took place while they were away instead of having to blindly peruse section after section. I know I wouldn't do that, and if someone's going to tell me that I should in order to keep up with everything, I can promise that I will disappear from here. I don't particularly care if there are places to just discuss random musings. The box is a lot faster and is more accessible (i.e., instant) for the community this forum is meant to serve.
Get the main site online. Use it to grow the active base. Then assess the risk of alienating those who were here before there was anything major to lose.
JJ, I understand you're just the messenger here. This is not directed at you. I think everyone who needs to see this, will. This thread really should go away, though.
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Post by Ursiel on Jun 4, 2014 12:19:48 GMT -6
I hate to ever bring up DN as a forum, but is there any way to make the chat box only accessible to those that can maintain a post count of, say, 30 in any given month? it could help with activity while not taking away the chatbox.
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Post by ALZ on Jun 4, 2014 12:28:31 GMT -6
A lot of my viewpoints have already been addressed, so I'm just going to bring up what I feel hasn't been adequately discussed. Shadwen, you remember when you started this on Team Atlantis ~2 years ago. What did the ATL members do? They went to Team America's site (my site) and posted in my chatbox instead. Thanks for bumping up my activity. In other words, crap like this doesn't work. Forcing members to meet a certain post requirement simply angers the member base and doesn't promote activity. Members do not like to be pressured into posting to meet a requirement, they want to post on what they feel like. And forcing the member base, which consists of very few active members, to meet such a huge requirement is ridiculous. What you all need to do is what BFG stated: get the main site online. Get to work on promoting the site fully and get regular, active members. Then we'll have an active forum. This kind of stuff takes time, and a lot of effort, but I'm sure that it will be much more rewarding in the end. I hate to ever bring up DN as a forum, but is there any way to make the chat box only accessible to those that can maintain a post count of, say, 30 in any given month? it could help with activity while not taking away the chatbox. I don't think there's any plugin made that currently does this, especially one that would count a user's posts per month.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Jun 4, 2014 12:37:32 GMT -6
I must say im quite shock and disappointed in you guys.
We are trying to increase activity and we have seen on the team sites and other sites that a chatbox does not promote activity. We stepped back, did research and came together as a group to look into your mutual suggestions and our promise of change. Call it a threat, call it absurd or what ever. You people want change, we work to make it happen. We build this place for you, and you bash it or call us out for having issues with start up. Asking more activity was MY idea, asking for 2000 posts in 1 month was MY idea.
You make it sound impossible but consider 10 posts a day for 30 days for 1 member is 300, for 10 just TEN people is Three Thousand thats 3000 posts. We were ALL far more active than 10 posts per day individually at one point on previous sites. 10 posts a day is simple.
Bottom line we want this place to work, but not at the cost of angering our member base off, so we'll close this for now and work on a better plan.
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Post by Ursiel on Jun 4, 2014 13:00:09 GMT -6
I wasn't sure if it would work with Chatango, just know that DN's forum is able to do something like that.
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