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Post by solidkguy on May 23, 2014 13:40:57 GMT -6
I tried googling it, but i didn't expect to find an answer...
What happens if your opponent takes control of a Frozen Fitzgerald of yours and then battles another Frozen Fitzgerald you own? Or in the case that you attack the Frozen Fitzgerald your opponent took from you with another Frozen Fitzgerald you summon? I'm assuming it'll be the same case.
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Post by Ursiel on May 23, 2014 17:35:29 GMT -6
My best guess is that the "when...., you can..." part of the effect means that they both need their destruction to be the last thing that happens to be able to activate. If battling each other they should activate simultaneously and as long as you don't have any other monsters on field you could get both back.
This is a really situational scenario and I hope it never actually comes up.
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Post by ALZ on May 23, 2014 21:01:31 GMT -6
The main problem here is the "while you control no monsters" clause. So actually, when the Fitzgeralds destroy one another, the effects would form a chain according to SEGOC. Frozen Fitzgerald 1 would attempt to activate, and if you let the effect resolve, the first Fitzgerald would be special summoned. However, since you now control a monster, the second Fitzgerald's effect would fizzle.
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Post by solidkguy on May 24, 2014 5:37:59 GMT -6
I'd as least still be getting one of them I suppose. I asked this because I actually did run into the situation I always expect my Ojamas to run into weird sitations.
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Post by Drillwarrior on May 24, 2014 9:01:18 GMT -6
The main problem here is the "while you control no monsters" clause. So actually, when the Fitzgeralds destroy one another, the effects would form a chain according to SEGOC. Frozen Fitzgerald 1 would attempt to activate, and if you let the effect resolve, the first Fitzgerald would be special summoned. However, since you now control a monster, the second Fitzgerald's effect would fizzle. Agreeing with Alz here. They both activate, but once one resolves, the other will be negated since you control a monster.
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Post by Ursiel on May 24, 2014 17:41:08 GMT -6
That was the part that was throwing me.
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Post by ragda on May 24, 2014 17:49:36 GMT -6
Old text is a bit confusing but I think it can be deciphered to give a different result.
When both activate since there are no monsters, you pitch the cards for both as part of the cost. Past that, all there is left to resolve is to summon them both. It doesn't have the text to say you need to keep having no monsters at resolution, but it is oldtext. See Infernity Archfiend's text for a similar idea where the second to resolve would fizzle, Frozen Fitzgerald doesn't seem to have such text/rulings that would cause a similar result.
tl;dr - Fitzgeralds crash, you can activate both and summon both.
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Post by ALZ on May 25, 2014 7:09:14 GMT -6
Old text is a bit confusing but I think it can be deciphered to give a different result. When both activate since there are no monsters, you pitch the cards for both as part of the cost. Past that, all there is left to resolve is to summon them both. It doesn't have the text to say you need to keep having no monsters at resolution, but it is oldtext. See Infernity Archfiend's text for a similar idea where the second to resolve would fizzle, Frozen Fitzgerald doesn't seem to have such text/rulings that would cause a similar result. tl;dr - Fitzgeralds crash, you can activate both and summon both. For some awkward reason I overlooked the "discard 1 card" part completely. Yeah, ragda's right on this one.
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Post by Ursiel on May 25, 2014 8:28:24 GMT -6
So I was right the first time?
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Post by ALZ on May 25, 2014 13:56:53 GMT -6
So I was right the first time? Yup, I'm pretty sure. Really does suck when not all the cards have been appropriately translated into the new text, as you really have to look in depth in order to make your best guess about the appropriate ruling.
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Post by Ursiel on May 25, 2014 14:21:03 GMT -6
Whoot!
Yes it is. Even with all the bitching I hear about PSCT, it really does make sense (mostly) if you take the time to understand what they were trying to do with it.
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Post by Drillwarrior on May 25, 2014 14:37:07 GMT -6
Oh, huh, I normally know my sh*t lol.
Would be nice if we got cards like this reprinted with PSCT.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 26, 2014 12:22:15 GMT -6
they should do that with quasar. he needs it >.> <.< >.>
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Post by Drillwarrior on May 26, 2014 13:34:51 GMT -6
they should do that with quasar. he needs it >.> <.< >.> Why does Quasar need PSCT? I think he is worded rather simply. It can't be summoned except by Synchro Summon. Negate 1 activation per turn. Floats for SSD.
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Post by Ursiel on May 26, 2014 18:04:04 GMT -6
Because Yoh just wants the reprint.
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