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Post by ライトロード on May 6, 2014 14:00:20 GMT -6
I really think you're overestimating the power of Pendulums. Yes, they can blowout a game, but that's only if you are in a position in a game where 1) They have the correct Pendulum Scale 2) They have monsters they WANT to put down simultaneously 3) You have no answers to either the Pendulum, or the final product of the Pendulum. Looks much worse on paper, OCG tourneys and DEV/YGOpro testing will show Pendulum (upon release anyway) is not competitive. I strongly disagree with your point of view. I've been testing Pendulum Gadgets extensively on Devpro against tier 1 decks (OCG and TCG), winning most games without much effort. Yes, you need to have 2 monsters with the correct scale levels, but frankly, that is rather easy to do when Odd-Eyes acts as a Sangan that you can special summon again to make Rank 7s.
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Post by Meat~Product on May 6, 2014 19:37:33 GMT -6
I really think you're overestimating the power of Pendulums. Yes, they can blowout a game, but that's only if you are in a position in a game where 1) They have the correct Pendulum Scale 2) They have monsters they WANT to put down simultaneously 3) You have no answers to either the Pendulum, or the final product of the Pendulum. Looks much worse on paper, OCG tourneys and DEV/YGOpro testing will show Pendulum (upon release anyway) is not competitive. I strongly disagree with your point of view. I've been testing Pendulum Gadgets extensively on Devpro against tier 1 decks (OCG and TCG), winning most games without much effort. Yes, you need to have 2 monsters with the correct scale levels, but frankly, that is rather easy to do when Odd-Eyes acts as a Sangan that you can special summon again to make Rank 7s. Many many people said the exact same thing about XyzGadgets when Xyz were just beginning, but they were no where near as strong as people had "tested".
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Post by ライトロード on May 6, 2014 19:43:04 GMT -6
I strongly disagree with your point of view. I've been testing Pendulum Gadgets extensively on Devpro against tier 1 decks (OCG and TCG), winning most games without much effort. Yes, you need to have 2 monsters with the correct scale levels, but frankly, that is rather easy to do when Odd-Eyes acts as a Sangan that you can special summon again to make Rank 7s. Many many people said the exact same thing about XyzGadgets when Xyz were just beginning, but they were no where near as strong as people had "tested". They were more potent with Ultimate Offering legal.
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Post by Meat~Product on May 6, 2014 20:01:15 GMT -6
Very true, but even then they failed to do much, other decks (Agents at that time) just had better plays, which I feel will be the fate of Pendulum based decks, at least for now. Odd-Eyes is breakable, just not yet.
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Post by Drillwarrior on May 7, 2014 8:37:49 GMT -6
Gotta agree with Meat~Product, I don't think the deck is going to be as tier 0 as you seem to expect. Even more so considering how insanely easy it is to side for.
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Post by ライトロード on May 7, 2014 9:21:49 GMT -6
Gotta agree with Meat~Product, I don't think the deck is going to be as tier 0 as you seem to expect. Even more so considering how insanely easy it is to side for. I never said the deck would create a tier 0 situation, I said it would be tier 1...and it will be. Just wait and see.
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Post by Drillwarrior on May 7, 2014 9:32:15 GMT -6
Gotta agree with Meat~Product, I don't think the deck is going to be as tier 0 as you seem to expect. Even more so considering how insanely easy it is to side for. I never said the deck would create a tier 0 situation, I said it would be tier 1...and it will be. Just wait and see. You've said it's beating everything without much issue. Either you haven't played a single game versus the meta and are making an uninformed opinion, or you have and you still think it's only tier one. If it beats everything without issue, even other meta, that is not tier one. That is not the description of a tier one deck, that is the description of something that sounds better than the tier one decks, or has been tested against poor opponents. I also am curious if you've been playing matches, as it is my perception that deck is is INCREDIBLY easy to side against.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 7, 2014 10:12:58 GMT -6
I never said the deck would create a tier 0 situation, I said it would be tier 1...and it will be. Just wait and see. You've said it's beating everything without much issue. Either you haven't played a single game versus the meta and are making an uninformed opinion, or you have and you still think it's only tier one. If it beats everything without issue, even other meta, that is not tier one. That is not the description of a tier one deck, that is the description of something that sounds better than the tier one decks, or has been tested against poor opponents.I also am curious if you've been playing matches, as it is my perception that deck is is INCREDIBLY easy to side against. A deck can beat other decks easily, if the pilot is competent. I am however also curious if he's playing matches or not, as siding would/should make considerable difference.
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Post by ライトロード on May 7, 2014 10:30:02 GMT -6
You've said it's beating everything without much issue. Either you haven't played a single game versus the meta and are making an uninformed opinion, or you have and you still think it's only tier one. If it beats everything without issue, even other meta, that is not tier one. That is not the description of a tier one deck, that is the description of something that sounds better than the tier one decks, or has been tested against poor opponents.I also am curious if you've been playing matches, as it is my perception that deck is is INCREDIBLY easy to side against. A deck can beat other decks easily, if the pilot is competent. I am however also curious if he's playing matches or not, as siding would/should make considerable difference. Single games and matches. Sylvans, Madolche, Artifacts, Mythic Rulers, Mermail, Fire Fists, LS Rulers, Dark World, Shadolls (ugh). Pretty much anything with Skill Drain in the main deck is a pain in the ass. I can work around everything else rather easily, unless they open nuts, in which case it'll be a long game (unless I also open crap, which has happened a couple of times).
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Post by ライトロード on May 11, 2014 22:06:05 GMT -6
Bumping this. What do you think is the problem? Hootcake or Anjelly?
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Post by troza on May 13, 2014 16:42:25 GMT -6
Talking about pendulum... more cards for the already tight 40 card decks.
I will say that, with soul charge, Pendulum will not go off that easily. But... when they start making the right pendulum monsters and decks arround that, we might see them going off and it will be amazing.
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Post by bystander on May 14, 2014 8:16:48 GMT -6
Talking about pendulum... more cards for the already tight 40 card decks. I will say that, with soul charge, Pendulum will not go off that easily. But... when they start making the right pendulum monsters and decks arround that, we might see them going off and it will be amazing. Right now the best deck that makes use of the Pendulum summoning was the OCG Scrap decks. And that is with just was available from the starter.
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Post by ライトロード on May 14, 2014 12:08:56 GMT -6
Eventually, I could see archetype specific Pendulum Monsters. Which is both neat and terrifying. Scraps are potent in general because of Supply Unit.
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Post by Yoh Komori on May 14, 2014 13:12:11 GMT -6
scraps gadgets and dragons. all are threats cause of pendulum summons.
@elduis: angelly, instant rank play is nuts.
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Post by bystander on May 15, 2014 8:02:41 GMT -6
Eventually, I could see archetype specific Pendulum Monsters. Which is both neat and terrifying. Scraps are potent in general because of Supply Unit. It really depends on the archetype, especially since most archetypes can be fast by themselves. Also TCG has Soul Charge, so the effects of the Pendulum monster need to be somewhat epic.
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