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Post by Yoh Komori on Feb 15, 2014 13:17:58 GMT -6
So basically you want to send activity this site desperately needs to other sites hoping that it brings activity back in a few months? I'm not saying making a brand new account just to post a thread saying 'hey, listen' and posting the link. I know most of you have accounts on other sites, put the link in your signature. Promote yourselves a little. No sense in wasting resources getting '4 man units' together and post. I have no intention of promoting this site or going to Pojo so I can't help you there. The thing is, even on the sites you're on there's barely any promotion. TUW has like 1 thread? that hasn't been posted on in months. Ninja has 1 thread about this site that you posted in once and never posted in again. I see more activity in the facebook group than I do on this site. Like moonrunes said earlier, you need active members. Barely any of your memberbase actually posts. Try getting more posts from them. In regards to the OP: you guys have some serious delusions of grandeur but no real way to pull through. The reason you're not the next metagame is because you guys had too grand a plan and not nearly enough resources to pull it off. Start small and work your way up. Scrap the blog stuff, store and youtube for now (not forever) and work on the forums and activity first and foremost. You're on the right track now having forums be top priority, keep going with that then work your way out. Rome wasn't built in a day etc. No, I don't want to send activity away, I want some people (4-5 at a time with one of them being people like me or Ragda or Jerkjerk whom already do go to various sites) to make posts here and on a second site, for a given time, working at here but also getting into the thick of it on another site, being seen will help promote via your signature method or by finding people and just asking them to come here after you get to know them. sigging links in sites really does not do much anymore. I'm also not drawing in from places like the former TCg teams. Those places already have invites sent by yours truly whom is an admin or mod on ALL of those teams...We need to seek active members from other places as WE are the active remnants of our own site (for the most part, those whom aren't here I am still trying to find via TCG and email to join....but thats a long process for little pay of). If you think we are delusional for wanting the best for our idea, then you are right we're stark raving mad....but being overly cynnical about our goals tends to deter people from doing anything. This place is still what we want done first (Brandon, Rich, correct me if that has changed) but we want to get this place going on multiple facets so we can offer a more diverse site to members whom are accustomed to places like facebook, tumblr, and such where there are more avenues to perceive and access media about the game. being JUST a forum does not work anymore.
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Post by MasterHelpo on Feb 15, 2014 15:35:47 GMT -6
All of the speculations from the following thread were more or less spot on, and this was 3-4 months ago. tcgrevolution.proboards.com/thread/174/suggestionsIt still has to be said that launching your idea beginning with this forum was a sub-par decision, it makes it seem like all efforts were conceded into just shelling out a free forum, just for the sake of having some form of a community. Asking members from other forums to join isn't going to work out that well as a long-term solution, it may be alright for grabbing one or two members, but most will just lose interest in a very short space of time. You have to realize that, well and truly, they have no reason to join this forum when they are already a part of a thriving, established community. The question is, what does this forum have to offer that others cannot? TCGplayer in it's heyday had the blogs, articles, deck builders, teams and team tournaments that people (at the time) WANTED to be a part of. Likewise, other forums such as Pojo & DGz have their own merits for people to join, if you don't have that quality, the forum is redundant. I don't think any effort in this post will sink in, but you have to develop a niche, you have to create something that people want to engage in, something that no other forum or online community can offer. There is no other way to go about it, if you wish to just have half-baked material, then you might as well stop working on this idea all together, and that is said in the most considerate way possible. Edit: Also listen to Mr. Thursday. You have to manage expectations, don't start building spaceships if you don't have the resources to do it. Start with what is feasibly possible, be realistic at least guys, come on, this is standard procedure stuff for a start-up.
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Post by soup on Feb 23, 2014 1:12:28 GMT -6
Strange for a first post, but here it goes. I'll start off with how I found this place. I recently got back into the game and wanted to find a place to discuss the decks/ect., without being ignored, trolled or flamed which I find often is the case in large forums with new members. I googled yugioh proboards, specifically hoping to find this. I am very familiar with small forum communities (ran a single gaming site for 7 years) and have been membered in more than I can count. It seems there is always a board of any topic struggling to branch off from a larger more popular forum (as mentioned by OP). I think it's great what this place is trying to achieve, and its something I wanted to be a part of. Not to my suprise, i found you. You guys were first page search results, activity seemed sufficient enough, post quality good. It was this thread though, this is where I decided to register. I know I'm not a vet, but OP did say EVERYONE, so I figured my two cents could be of Value.
One member posted about delusions of grandeur. BIG problem in start ups like these. And I loved the mention of inadequate resources. It is something the staff will need to keep in check. Don't think 10 steps ahead until step 100. Only focus on what can be done now. You can't build without a foundation, and that foundation needs to be strong.
I disagree with focusing solely on the forums. That rarely works. I liked the idea of blogs/YouTube/articles. Maybe not all to start, just one. And do it well. You need this. Good content attracts new members, it gives them something to want from your website. From there, their desire to discuss your content drives new memberships. The community grows, and there and then you can focus on the forums. I strongly advise dedicated staff to content generation who do not focus on community improvement/moderating/promoting ect. Be a member sure, participate with your audience, but new content is always #1.
Furthering the above, I wouldn't mind seeing the community remain here for a while. I've worked with a lot of popular forum software (phpBB, invision, vBulletin, ect.)- the customizations are great, but first get more people who could enjoy them before you invest. Work on putting up content. I haven't created my own ProBoard for many years, but best I know they don't have options for a "main site". But there are free options available, if you do not have the resources to create a domain/hosting. I would love to see steady quality content to read/watch and become a fan of. No software, program code, or service is going to produce that for you. That takes people.
Hope what I've said doesn't come off as arrogant or aggressive, just a realistic view of your situation from a more-or-less third party perspective.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Feb 23, 2014 2:50:38 GMT -6
First off, welcome to TCGrevolution, I am Yoh_Komori/BigStinkin'Ape(formerly of the TCGplayer.com forums, now defunct), one of the admins on this little corner of the internet.
I am glad you chose our site to join. I can understand and empathize with wanting a place where there is no BS, just the game, and a sense of camaraderie that's off the beaten path.
Regarding the foundation, and our "delusions of grandeur". While it is true that we are shooting far higher than we can actually strike at currently, what you likely do not know is a few months back this was all just a thought in our collective minds, and before that a joking response on the now defunct forums some/most of our members were gathered from. Yes we aim high, but if we didn't we would not have gotten this far, so what harm is there in aiming higher?
We know to keep realistic about what can be done, in fact we kind of take turns between us 3 admins (depending on topic) as to who keeps their head out of the clouds.
I personally think similarly to you (at least based on this post). I think expansion and content for a small site is key. The issue is we need a board full of activity and members to keep such content full of life, but the problem is the content drives activity, so it's back to recruiting. With that said, we do actually have some stellar people who are our allies and plan to help us regarding content(articles, blogging and such) once we get set up for it. It's in the works.
Actually if you know of any small or big boards(aside from DNF, pojo, DGZ and YGO forums) that we could look for members in, or that you could invite to our boards that would be welcome. Every member gained is good right now.
Again, thank you for your response and please enjoy this place.
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Post by soup on Feb 23, 2014 3:40:10 GMT -6
I do not regular on any other sites, I only recently got back into this and although I did register for a few, I found most uninviting (hence quest for a smaller community on the rise). Glad you and I agree on the importance of content. I wish I could help- although I need some time to reacquaint myself with the meta before I could provide any quality perspective on the game. Although- perhaps a piece on the perspective of a returning player could be interesting. If you need any advice or assistance on the technical side I could be of more use. I have been considering programing my own "puzzles" similar to the ones found on DevPro,(which I enjoy) but in a mobile web app format. Of course this idea just for my own fun. Should I get anywhere with it, perhaps you could make it available here. And create a thread for puzzle ideas. Oh- perhaps now I'm the one suffering delusions!
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Post by Yoh Komori on Feb 23, 2014 13:04:31 GMT -6
I do not regular on any other sites, I only recently got back into this and although I did register for a few, I found most uninviting (hence quest for a smaller community on the rise). Glad you and I agree on the importance of content. I wish I could help- although I need some time to reacquaint myself with the meta before I could provide any quality perspective on the game. Although- perhaps a piece on the perspective of a returning player could be interesting. If you need any advice or assistance on the technical side I could be of more use. I have been considering programing my own "puzzles" similar to the ones found on DevPro,(which I enjoy) but in a mobile web app format. Of course this idea just for my own fun. Should I get anywhere with it, perhaps you could make it available here. And create a thread for puzzle ideas. Oh- perhaps now I'm the one suffering delusions! See, delusions of grandeur are contagious! Share in the pandemic with us! Actually I'm going to Ask one of our other admins Shadwen, to speak to you regarding technical expertise. IF you've done what you say, you may actually be of use to us! ^^ If you decide to write that perspective or get your duel puzzle app going let me know! We love to promote user content here.
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Post by soup on Feb 23, 2014 13:43:17 GMT -6
Sounds good to me, wouldn't mine contributing to some fun projects. I do computer programming for a living (mostly VB) but I have plenty experience in web development. I will generate some relevant code and PM you or your tech staff a sample to illustrate my skill level, if you'd like.
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Post by Shadwen on Feb 23, 2014 17:55:51 GMT -6
Welcome, I am Shadwen. The Lead Dev (So Far). Oh gawd what a trip its been. I would love some assistance as I have used invisionfree for the longest time, then switched over to proboards. I would love some custom code.
Im glad to see a returning player choose us. If you have any questions or just want to chat, im available most of the day.
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Post by soup on Feb 23, 2014 18:57:54 GMT -6
Hi Shadwen, I would be glad to assist. I am going to to forward you a PM I sent to Yoh Komori. It contains some background, and a proof of concept which show where skill level is at. I have many ideas to contribute if you'd like too. Do you have experience with self hosted forums? or just things like invisionfree and proboards? I used invision free for years too.
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Post by Shadwen on Feb 23, 2014 20:28:12 GMT -6
I mainly use non self hosted forums. Im looking forward to your pm.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Feb 23, 2014 22:09:31 GMT -6
Wonderful, well now that you two have acquainted, I don't have to pm you both into a "intro" conversation!
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Post by JerkJerk on Feb 23, 2014 23:09:30 GMT -6
Might want to send me that too, Dawson
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Post by Yoh Komori on Feb 24, 2014 0:06:21 GMT -6
Might want to send me that too, Dawson I would have, if I had to, but they just introduced themselves here! so why bother?
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Post by JerkJerk on Feb 24, 2014 2:21:04 GMT -6
Because I didn't want to feel left out? D=
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Post by soup on Feb 24, 2014 14:50:49 GMT -6
JerkJerk, I have spoke with the other two admins. I will be putting together a main site over the next week and have you guys review the progress and give feed back / suggestions- so I can tweak it to satisfaction. It's seems April 1st is when tcgrevolution will be taking its new direction.. I intend to have a main site ready to go by this date.
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