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Post by Shadwen on Nov 3, 2013 10:18:20 GMT -6
3 Evilswarm Heliotrope
1 Evilswarm Azzathoth
3 Evilswarm Castor
1 Evilswarm Hraesvelg
3 Evilswarm Kerykeion
3 Evilswarm Mandragora
1 Evilswarm Thunderbird
2 Maxx "C"
1 Rescue Rabbit
1 Tsukuyomi
1 Book of Moon
1 Dark Hole
2 Forbidden Lance
3 Infestation Pandemic
1 Reinforcement of the Army
1 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Compulsory Evacuation Device
2 Dimensional Prison
1 Eradicator Epidemic Virus
2 Fiendish Chain
1 Infestation Infection
2 Mirror Force
2 Safe Zone
1 Solemn Warning
1 Abyss Dweller
1 Evilswarm Bahamut
3 Evilswarm Ophion
1 Evilswarm Ouroboros
1 Evilswarm Thanatos
1 Gagaga Cowboy
1 Lavalval Chain
1 Maestroke the Symphony Djinn
1 Number 50: Blackship of Corn
2 Number 66: Master Key Beetle
1 Photon Papilloperative
1 Evilswarm Exciton Knight
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Post by Ursiel on Nov 4, 2013 10:12:16 GMT -6
Out of curiosity why Roach? I haven't seen its effect be all that useful lately.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Nov 4, 2013 14:01:59 GMT -6
XYZ reborn? I would figure with such a power card in deck that it would only make sense to run reborn to keep ophion swinging.
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Post by Ursiel on Nov 4, 2013 14:31:54 GMT -6
XYZ reborn? I would figure with such a power card in deck that it would only make sense to run reborn to keep ophion swinging. Completely forgot Xyz Reborn. Totally worth it in this deck. |
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Post by Shadwen on Nov 4, 2013 14:35:37 GMT -6
Roach has always been a favorite of mine..not sure why. Just love him!
XYZ reborn could be very useful..ill have to find space.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Nov 4, 2013 14:37:00 GMT -6
If the deck had the room for another 1-2 reptiles it'd would make king of feral imps viable,since he can search azzathoth (and/ or kagetokage/worm's xes and yagan, or even masked chameleon/gentlemander). XYZ reborn? I would figure with such a power card in deck that it would only make sense to run reborn to keep ophion swinging. Completely forgot Xyz Reborn. Totally worth it in this deck. |
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Post by Shadwen on Nov 4, 2013 14:39:56 GMT -6
I was thinking of using Chameleon to open the road for some good plays..I dont much Like pure beetle lock build..it doesnt have the fluff that I enjoy.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Nov 4, 2013 14:54:39 GMT -6
well if you deck some chameleons you could run king of feral and then gain access to searchable azzathoths, which is nice for setting up removals and ophion plays.
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Post by g1nz0 on Nov 6, 2013 22:36:27 GMT -6
Don't waste any spots in your Swarm deck with Xyz Reborn. Card is overrated and only delivers quality in theory mode.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Nov 6, 2013 23:18:44 GMT -6
Don't waste any spots in your Swarm deck with Xyz Reborn. Card is overrated and only delivers quality in theory mode. You get to re-use your more powerful XYZ that you've spent or lost to the yard for the cost of activating said trap, how is that over rated? |
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Post by g1nz0 on Nov 6, 2013 23:47:16 GMT -6
I say it's overrated since I see it get offered up as a legitimate suggestion (And not necessarily just for Evilswarm). The deck does not need the card, it needs cards to strengthen the open/early game. This doesn't get you there in that regard. This is more of a "I'm probably already winning, or on my way to losing card." I'm certain with a little bit of time investing searching you can find stellar players like Brian Canales who have tops with the deck and they don't run it which only supports the idea that Reborn is a waste of a card slot. Note: this is just in regards to the most competitive variations of the deck, but for locals/regionals where individuality/poor deck building is rewarded more, then you are definitely given more freedom to experiment.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Nov 6, 2013 23:52:53 GMT -6
I say it's overrated since I see it get offered up as a legitimate suggestion (And not necessarily just for Evilswarm). The deck does not need the card, it needs cards to strengthen the open/early game. This doesn't get you there in that regard. This is more of a "I'm probably already winning, or on my way to losing card." I'm certain with a little bit of time investing searching you can find stellar players like Brian Canales who have tops with the deck and they don't run it which only supports the idea that Reborn is a waste of a card slot. Note: this is just in regards to the most competitive variations of the deck, but for locals/regionals where individuality/poor deck building is rewarded more, then you are definitely given more freedom to experiment. It's one thing to have a preference or opinion about a card, but I dislike how you rope individualism in with poor deck building skill. It's not that black and white and you know it, otherwise innovations such as "piper chaos", "tele dad", "junk and debris", and dozens of other non archetypal decks that have won high level tournaments or championships would have never topped and came into existence because no players would be willing to test cards that buck known accepted understandings about the game. |
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Post by g1nz0 on Nov 7, 2013 0:06:09 GMT -6
It's not unfair, those style tournies will allow for those two attributes to shine more. I didn't say they were equal, just that they benefit more in those situations. What is odd is that you would equate Teledad, which is viewed as one of the most skilled decks to play, to decks like Piper Chaos (which is extremely linear and lacks dynamism) and Junk/Debris decks (which can be skillful, but often lose to themselves, which also means the best case scenarios are rooted in luck as well). And I'm not saying individuality is bad, I just feel there are appropriate places for them. After all, some of the best techs/most surprising decks of all time, more than likely, started at a local level where the testing is more forgiving which helps to really refine an idea.
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Post by Yoh Komori on Nov 7, 2013 0:25:39 GMT -6
It's not unfair, those style tournies will allow for those two attributes to shine more. I didn't say they were equal, just that they benefit more in those situations. What is odd is that you would equate Teledad, which is viewed as one of the most skilled decks to play, to decks like Piper Chaos (which is extremely linear and lacks dynamism) and Junk/Debris decks (which can be skillful, but often lose to themselves, which also means the best case scenarios are rooted in luck as well). And I'm not saying individuality is bad, I just feel there are appropriate places for them. After all, some of the best techs/most surprising decks of all time, more than likely, started at a local level where the testing is more forgiving which helps to really refine an idea. I am relating those 3, because they all used(at the time) cards and combos seen as sup par upon their inital success, and only reversed those assumptions BECAUSE of success. Arguing XYZ reborn is a poor choice because no one tried it in a given deck/won with it decked in aforementioned deck would be overly traditionalist, given how innovation drives this game. back on topic: What would you suggest this deck needs? I do need more practice with an against ilswarm, as I have been inactive for the last month. |
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Post by g1nz0 on Nov 7, 2013 1:20:25 GMT -6
I am relating those 3, because they all used(at the time) cards and combos seen as sup par upon their inital success, and only reversed those assumptions BECAUSE of success. Arguing XYZ reborn is a poor choice because no one tried it in a given deck/won with it decked in aforementioned deck would be overly traditionalist, given how innovation drives this game. back on topic: What would you suggest this deck needs? I do need more practice with an against ilswarm, as I have been inactive for the last month. Piper and Junk, yes, TeleDad had very little, to no, sub par cards choices that figured there way in. The only card that surprised people was when Royal Oppression was thrown in compound the problem that deck was. But as far as the deck in the OP, while I wouldn't run it the same, if you are looking for a good start, it's that and more. Also, since some of the card choices make me think of Eaton Guo's build, if you are looking for a version that has had success I posted and image of that one in the Evilswarm thread. |
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