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Post by troza on Jan 3, 2014 6:22:20 GMT -6
Well, I've been trying to add some variations in a battlin' boxer deck. This is what I'm trying right now:  What am I trying to do? Lead Yoke can be a fearless beater but I want him to also be a wall while guys see their life points going down. I still have a feeling that I might be trying to fit too much into one deck (bruning, rank-up that eventually fits the burning side of things, other ways to get rank 4). So far, this is how it's going. Testing hasn't been that great (but against dragon rulers in the last format and against Inzektors all I can say is that I would love to have more draw power... maybe some Maxx "C" for Summoner Monk) but it hasn't also been that bad as I've been able to show a few tricks once in a while. This version came out after yesterday's playing time so... I still don't know if the changes I made were good or not. |
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Post by Ursiel on Jan 3, 2014 11:31:32 GMT -6
The RUM do really need to go. Just not entirely sure what to replace them with right now.
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Post by g1nz0 on Jan 4, 2014 7:54:55 GMT -6
I have lots of experience with this archetype and there are a few things I can mention to help you along:
Cut the gimmicks. Battlin' Boxer is a gimmick/project deck to begin with, so you need to focus on it's strengths, and then reinforce that by considering how it struggles.
I don't care for Duality since Upstart is probably better.
Phalanx is a really neat card, but I think I like it better in Harpie. Could be preference. Regardless, I wouldn't run it over one.
I'd cut Lava Golem, Side Deck at best, but even then, Metaion is better.
Cut Summoner Monk. It was only really "good" in the initial stages of testing for this deck when we first got info/access to the cards online. Masked Chameleon and/or Goblindbergh are your better options for the non-archetype specific, generic, Rank 4 plays.
Circle of the Fire Kings is only good in a focused build, which this one isn't really since there are a lot of random techs. I liked the idea in theory, but in the game it's less effective especially when you are not Main Decking Fencing Fire Ferret which is where the optimal value comes from.
This deck could still potentially get decent value out of Main Decking Vanity's Emptiness since Lead Yoke and Emptiness can be quite dirty and Emptiness is better than the Spiritual Art card and Magic Cylinder.
I happen to be for the Xyz trap cards, but I find that Xyz Block is the best one for Boxers.
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Post by troza on Jan 4, 2014 16:03:52 GMT -6
I have lots of experience with this archetype and there are a few things I can mention to help you along: Circle of the Fire Kings is only good in a focused build, which this one isn't really since there are a lot of random techs. I liked the idea in theory, but in the game it's less effective especially when you are not Main Decking Fencing Fire Ferret which is where the optimal value comes from. Can you explain me this part of your post? And I guess that it doesn't work, but isn't it a good card to send glassjaw to the grave or that goes as cost and doesn't trigger glassjaw? I guess that I agree with everything you said. This is an IRL deck so some of the option aren't available for me. About the monks... they aren't for the generic synchro summons... but more for the initial Lavalval Chain play where I get the Battlin' boxer I want in the hand... But I guess you're right. And upstart makes sense if I forget the burning part of the deck  aha |
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Post by g1nz0 on Jan 4, 2014 16:41:50 GMT -6
Here are two builds; the first shows a deck using Circle and focused on that play, the second is a defined-Meta (nationally) stun variant. |
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Post by troza on Jan 4, 2014 17:09:24 GMT -6
Just one question... what is the second spell of the second build?
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Post by Ursiel on Jan 4, 2014 18:11:34 GMT -6
That one is Magic Planter. I'm curious as to what the only full set of traps in the last row is though.
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Post by g1nz0 on Jan 5, 2014 0:59:24 GMT -6
That one is Magic Planter. I'm curious as to what the only full set of traps in the last row is though. Mistake. |
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Post by Ursiel on Jan 5, 2014 10:13:37 GMT -6
Okay, still not used to the pics from the newer set yet.
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Post by troza on Jan 5, 2014 13:10:16 GMT -6
By the way, this is what I took to my locals:  I took somethings that you told and changed the deck a bit. I didn't change it all cause I want to see if I can make something a bit different, that surprises people when I play some of the cards. I want to see if I can make it... if I don't, I know what I will do but there would be no fun of having just another regular Battlin' Boxers deck. By the way... what do you think of Battin' Boxing Spirit? |
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Post by g1nz0 on Jan 5, 2014 20:15:39 GMT -6
I don't mind Spirit, it's just not something that I like personally. Nor would I run it at over one.
And I am not saying, nor will I ever, to not be creative, BUT - I am wholly against deck building for form, when the form hurts the functionality of a deck. I say build a deck and it's theme strong to do what it wants as consistently as possible. There is nothing worse than watching a deck lose just because it lacks focus. That's all I was saying. Playing Boxers is risk enough, you don't need to stretch yourself thin even more by diluting the deck with cards that are only good in certain situations.
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Post by troza on Jan 6, 2014 4:55:02 GMT -6
I don't mind Spirit, it's just not something that I like personally. Nor would I run it at over one. And I am not saying, nor will I ever, to not be creative, BUT - I am wholly against deck building for form, when the form hurts the functionality of a deck. I say build a deck and it's theme strong to do what it wants as consistently as possible. There is nothing worse than watching a deck lose just because it lacks focus. That's all I was saying. Playing Boxers is risk enough, you don't need to stretch yourself thin even more by diluting the deck with cards that are only good in certain situations. True story. But I have a deck that I know how to play and I feel confortable enough. And none of these decks are top tier material so why not try something different and see how it goes? And it's not like I'm lacking focus. My focus is lead yoke and backrow. But he can be used not just like a big beater and so I'm trying to find ways to punish my opponents with other cards. I guess that I have 5 cards that I would replace with something else... isn't that big of a number and it does bring the surprise factor to this deck. |
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Post by g1nz0 on Jan 7, 2014 3:29:06 GMT -6
Well I guess your mind is on the right track, we just seem to be traveling in different directions.
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Post by troza on Jan 7, 2014 3:53:08 GMT -6
Well I guess your mind is on the right track, we just seem to be traveling in different directions. I guess so  Still... if you have any ideas to make this deck being able to burn while lead yoke stays there watching my opponent's death, that would be great |
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Post by g1nz0 on Jan 7, 2014 16:14:57 GMT -6
I'd say you have enough of that in there already.
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