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Post by Drillwarrior on Mar 21, 2014 10:28:35 GMT -6
I've read that it isn't that consistent... Wasn't it here? Isn't that consistent.... back in '03 we have a lot more cards to try and make it consistent now.
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Post by BurnForGame on Mar 21, 2014 11:14:56 GMT -6
They're replacing Jar trolling with Seed trolling, and now we have triple Call to put BLS back on the field. Within minutes of the list going up on DN, I saw talk of ATK loops with Macro + Limiter Removal. I've said more elsewhere, but the non-meta hit part of this list is some of the worst hypocrisy I've ever seen.
And, the worst part is that Jackpot OTK is not dead at all:
1) Summon or set Dark Scorpion Burglars 2) Protect Burglars until the opponent's End Phase, then activate Scapegoat 3) Flip the Burglars if necessary, then Creature Swap/Mystic Box 4) Slam Sheep Tokens into Burglars, whose effect you use to send Jackpot to the grave
It might even be simpler than that, if I've missed another way to do it. I don't normally whine about lists, but I'd rather have Jars still be a thing than Jackpot 7 any day.
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Post by Drillwarrior on Mar 21, 2014 12:03:37 GMT -6
They're replacing Jar trolling with Seed trolling, and now we have triple Call to put BLS back on the field. Within minutes of the list going up on DN, I saw talk of ATK loops with Macro + Limiter Removal. I've said more elsewhere, but the non-meta hit part of this list is some of the worst hypocrisy I've ever seen. And, the worst part is that Jackpot OTK is not dead at all: 1) Summon or set Dark Scorpion Burglars 2) Protect Burglars until the opponent's End Phase, then activate Scapegoat 3) Flip the Burglars if necessary, then Creature Swap/Mystic Box 4) Slam Sheep Tokens into Burglars, whose effect you use to send Jackpot to the grave It might even be simpler than that, if I've missed another way to do it. I don't normally whine about lists, but I'd rather have Jars still be a thing than Jackpot 7 any day. You don't even need step one. Instead Set scapegoat. Opponent's EP scapegoat Your turn, set burglars Creature swap/mystic box/SHIEN'S SPY. Opponent doesn't even need to control a monster this way. swing tokens into def mode burglars
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Post by BurnForGame on Mar 21, 2014 12:22:30 GMT -6
I knew I was missing a way. I had seen Shien's Spy, but forgot it when posting. The very nonsense they aimed to stop is faster WITHOUT what they banned for it.
Good job, corporate research team. Way to completely miss the aim of this routine! *sigh*
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Post by troza on Mar 21, 2014 12:32:49 GMT -6
I guess that you just refuse to let go what konami wants to see gone. Nice!
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Post by BurnForGame on Mar 21, 2014 13:36:29 GMT -6
It's more that if they wanted to see it gone, they shouldn't have printed the card that it breaks. Who thought Jackpot 7 would be a good card design in the first place? The card screams nonsense OTK abuse. The card pool is expansive enough that I thought they would know better. It's not hard to take a card like that, combine it with some random old card buried in the sand, and come up with something like Jackpot Burglars OTK.
That is not a "safe" AWC card the way a card like #88 is. Now, Jackpot's going to have the potential of getting itself banned if it's abused as it might as well be, or Burglars if they decide to keep Jackpot alive by removing the main effect that breaks it. Burglars has no business being banned, but this foolish new card might do it. It's the latest in a string of questionable card designs, but this one is really harsh for the changes it prompted on this list, all for nothing.
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Post by Dark Crimson Fox on Mar 22, 2014 6:40:20 GMT -6
@ Hey BurnforGame ? Is there anyway to utilize One Outta Three and Primal seed for Nurse Reficule
@ Konami why make the damn pot in the first place. Did they seriously taught it wasn't going to get abuse.
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Post by Drillwarrior on Mar 22, 2014 8:04:40 GMT -6
@ Hey BurnforGame ? Is there anyway to utilize One Outta Three and Primal seed for Nurse Reficule @ Konami why make the damn pot in the first place. Did they seriously taught it wasn't going to get abuse. One Outta Three? Of course. Put some fusion monsters in your extra deck, call xyz. If you don't have xyz in your extra deck, your opponent is going to have xyz in theirs 99% of the time. They have more, they "gain" 3000
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Post by Yoh Komori on Mar 22, 2014 12:29:56 GMT -6
I guess that you just refuse to let go what konami wants to see gone. Nice! No we are just smarter than Konami R/D because we actually try out the cards they print.
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Post by troza on Mar 22, 2014 18:20:18 GMT -6
I guess that you just refuse to let go what konami wants to see gone. Nice! No we are just smarter than Konami R/D because we actually try out the cards they print.
I can agree with that. I won't say that's actually true cause I don't know what they do at konami. But let's face it... they actually do a great job in taking out our money in a non criminal way.
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Post by Dark Crimson Fox on Mar 23, 2014 7:17:01 GMT -6
=.= .... Sad but true. I can't spend money on the cards I actually want. I believe most of us have bills/school/jobs etc.
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Post by troza on Mar 23, 2014 12:12:53 GMT -6
=.= .... Sad but true. I can't spen d money on the cards I actually want. I believe most of us have bills/school/jobs etc. Yet, you want to spend that money. I'm just like you. I don't have money to spend on cards but I want to buy lots of this...
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Post by Yoh Komori on Mar 23, 2014 12:31:45 GMT -6
=.= .... Sad but true. I can't spend money on the cards I actually want. I believe most of us have bills/school/jobs etc. They take money if you buy from them. use and ABUSE the secondary market, not to butcher a good language but my motto is "carpe deal" seize the best bargain!
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Post by Ursiel on Mar 25, 2014 10:31:13 GMT -6
The Primal Seed infinite loop could be funny as hell in Nurse Burn, but requires too much to make it worth while. Seriously though with a Nurse/Simochi and Macro with BLS on field, then cycling 1 Upstart Goblin with the 2 Seed would be quick and painful for the opponent.
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Post by Drillwarrior on Mar 25, 2014 10:32:14 GMT -6
The Primal Seed infinite loop could be funny as hell in Nurse Burn, but requires too much to make it worth while. Seriously though with a Nurse/Simochi and Macro with BLS on field, then cycling 1 Upstart Goblin with the 2 Seed would be quick and painful for the opponent. This would be a very mean little loop.
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