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[bystander]

I say then just hit Bear.

[BurnForGame]

While I agree with JerkJerk's last post, I worry because Tenki's been treated as an exception to that "always" by a couple of lists now. Where it would normally get the standard RotA Limit, it's been bounced from 2 up to 3 instead of going down to the lone copy. I feel that was a big mistake this format, as the overall meta, while refreshingly open after the Ruler days, could have been even more balanced without triple Tenki. If Konami is taking the approach that it's a more vulnerable card, they will confirm that by leaving it alone. (I'd love to see Tenki Limited, but that's partially just a personal dislike for the Fire Fist deck showing...) Otherwise, it will likely just get a Semi, then stay there for 2-3 formats.

With that said, I'm not convinced they will hit more than one additional piece of Mermail support. I can't quite determine what will be deemed more important to slow that deck down. I'll just be glad if they don't hit anything that Anti-Heal (Nurse Burn) needs ahead of the new Gift Card's release.

To answer the questions: I don't think anything will get banned, and I don't think any decks will get demolished. Sign could very well get the Limit just because it enables so much of the Harpie nonsense.

[ragda]

For the most part, the trend is that when a deck is doing well enough to represent top tables often, their consistency is hit a bit. When they aren't around so much, they lift the limitations. See Shien's Smoke Signal then and now.

[bystander]

Feb 26, 2014 23:09:56 GMT -6 ragda said:

For the most part, the trend is that when a deck is doing well enough to represent top tables often, their consistency is hit a bit. When they aren't around so much, they lift the limitations. See Shien's Smoke Signal then and now.

^ very true.

[Ursiel]

Fire Fists will get a hit, whether it be Tenki or Bear IDK. I do say they need to hit Wolfbark though. While not a broken card in itself it creates easy Xyz in the FF or FK deck and that Xyz usually creates even more advantage.

Teus and Sphere are what I believe need to get hit in Mermails. Teus sets up too many combos and Xyz summons for very little cost. Sphere creates big swings in advantage and tempo. While it is usually paired with Linde, for that Linde on its own eats up a normal summon to do similar things. Except without Sphere they can't turn an opponent's MST into a 2700atk beater.

Rekindling could get a hit solely on the use in the FF3.5 deck. If the expected hits for the other FF cards come about the 3.5 will be the default for them to fall back on.



I'm still advocating that Infernity Launcher gets at least moved to Semi instead of Limited.

[ragda]

Ursiel: As much as I would love a Semi'd Launcher, you know the kind of bandwagon effect that creates right? Although, that also means that Synchrocentric has a bit more fuel to work with.

[bystander]

Linde typically is summoned via Sphere and yes it turn into a 2700 att beater. I see your point with not touching Linde, although I still wouldn't mind a semi limit on this card though.

I want Bear hit more than Tenki. The spell can be useful to a lot of decks, but most of those aren't topping like mad. Why punish other decks because of the archetype this spell originated in?

Could Wolfbark still operate @2 and not be an issue, or does it have to be a full on limit?


As for launcher, it is fine where it is.


Plus I have seen Infernity decks top @ regionals. The deck still has the plays, there is no need to break it again. 

[Ursiel]

Hey Launcher is a dream, much like you wanting Stratos back bystander.

Wolfbark might have to be a full limit just to make it a decent play without making it the main play for a deck. Much like they have done with Debris Dragon. And thanks to Exciton you can no longer try and use "Debris is a 1-card field wipe" because now Wolfbark does it and keeps a monster out.

[bystander]

Feb 27, 2014 14:21:44 GMT -6 Ursiel said:

Hey Launcher is a dream, much like you wanting Stratos back bystander.

Wolfbark might have to be a full limit just to make it a decent play without making it the main play for a deck. Much like they have done with Debris Dragon. And thanks to Exciton you can no longer try and use "Debris is a 1-card field wipe" because now Wolfbark does it and keeps a monster out.

Maybe it is a dream of ours, but mine is a lot more feasable than yours, especially with an upcoming structure.


So a full limit on Wolfbark, similar to debris. That is understandable.

[Ursiel]

If anything a structure coming out soon makes me think its even less likely to get Stratos back. That is putting the deck back into the competitive light, but Stratos requires hits on so many other things just to attempt a limit to its ease of use.

[JerkJerk]

Feb 27, 2014 14:29:00 GMT -6 Ursiel said:

If anything a structure coming out soon makes me think its even less likely to get Stratos back. That is putting the deck back into the competitive light, but Stratos requires hits on so many other things just to attempt a limit to its ease of use.

This wold be true if said cards were relevant.

D-hero engine likely wouldn't change. Hero Beat wouldn't change. A Hero Lives likely could stay where it is. The only thing it was really doing was getting bubble beat decks in the OCG topping. Stratos is an awesome card and a Structure deck is the perfect way to bring it back to sell the product for the summer. Then, if it's a problem, just ban it again. Otherwise, it won't impact so much. It's a classic case of Ban List taboo. Once it's banned it's too good. Which is 50/50 

[bystander]

Feb 27, 2014 14:29:00 GMT -6 Ursiel said:

If anything a structure coming out soon makes me think its even less likely to get Stratos back. That is putting the deck back into the competitive light, but Stratos requires hits on so many other things just to attempt a limit to its ease of use.

I don't mind seeing certain DHEROs get the hit to bring Stratos back.

They hit CotH, we have Pinpoint Guard to fall back on (odds are we may even get this in the structure since Konami has mentioned this trap being used alongside Stratos in their strategy site article about Pin Point Guard).

[ライトロード]

Stratos will either come back, or they will release a nerfed version you can use 3 of. In either case, heroes are a thing again.

Putting Infernity Launcher back to 2 would be foolhardy with Pendulum summoning becoming a thing. The deck would literally have no fault anymore because of the once per turn hand drop. If it weren't for that, I'd be okay with it.

[bystander]

Feb 27, 2014 15:27:36 GMT -6 ライトロード said:

Stratos will either come back, or they will release a nerfed version you can use 3 of. In either case, heroes are a thing again.

I rather have the original back.

Newer versions of a better card just make me sad.

[bystander]

I am liking the title one month when it really is just a few weeks before the list drops.